NB> Someone told me alittle of a bizzare story of alien bodies
NB> being hidden by government authorities at some military
NB> installation out west YEARS ago... maybe 50 years? What
NB> is this about? Can someone tell me, or give me a reference
NB> book that this supposedly came from? Thanks.
Hi Nancy -- there are a couple of books you can check out on the subject.
The Roswell Incident, by Charles Berlitz and William L. Moore, is in paperback and was the first investigative book published on the very odd doings in Roswell & Corona, New Mexico, in July 1947.
UFO Crash at Roswell by Kevin Randles and Don Schmidt, just published, considerably updates the story and is the product of exhaustive interviews with surviving witnesses and their families.
Finally, there is a very strange collection of .GIF image files circulating that purport to show an alien specimen. They were supposedly digitized from a videotape of the thing. They're available on my BBS as ALIEN1.GIF - ALIEN5.GIF.
> ro> We're looking for some videos on UFO's. So far we've seen:
>
>Hello Roger! Wonderful to hear from someone in good old Halifax!
>
>I have never seen one of the landmark UFO films: _UFOs: Past, Present and Future_. It was produced and directed by Robert Emmenegger in the 1970s, based on his book of the same name.
>
>I've heard the film is/was quite good, but I've been completely unable to obtain a screening, let alone a videocassette.
>
>Good luck in your quest, and please let me know if you locate the Emmenegger film on videocassette!
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In article <94212.2942D551@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews) writes:
>
>Well, I think that Klass's job is twofold:
>
>1. Publically "explaining" anything and everything offered as proof of UFO existence regardless of the facts, and
>
>2. Evaluating, discrediting, and informing his bosses about anyone who may possess such proof (or apparently genuine US gov't UFO research, records, COMINT, or just interesting ideas)
>
>So I'm prepared to settle for a "bird" in the hand and a sock in Phil's mouth (and a tap on my phone).
>
My, my, how convenient. Anyone who looks at the same so-called "evidence" as
you do, and fails to be convinced, *must* be in the pay of the CIA or
whoever, sneaking around, spying, informing, lying: all part of the
"great conspiracy" of the [illuminati, CIA, Skull & Bones, Vatican, (or
add your favorite)].
If Phil Klass were the paid agent of sinister forces, why would he continue
to *waste* his time writing long articles in Aviation Week most every
issue, long past the normal retirement age of 65?? Why wouldn't he spend
all his time debunking UFOs?
Or could it be that Klass, like the rest of us, does this in his spare
time, and that his skepticism is just a mark of a better sense of reality?
No, not possible. He *must* be an agent of The Conspiracy!
--
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Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I Do Not speak,
RRM(> Funny how the PC crowd never mentions that the
RRM(> Aztecs were into stuff like _human_sacrifice_.
Yeah, but the Aztecs are among History's Victims! They're entitled!!
Our new, deeper understanding of advanced civilizations like the Aztec can only enhance your humanity, and mine too. I do hope you agree. It's okay if you don't, though -- then I'll be able to cut your heart out so the sun will rise tomorrow.
>>visible from Earth, It would hardly require a probe to see, unless it
>>were very dark. In which case, the probe may not have even be able to
>>see it.
Cs> I haven't seen the picture, but since the probe was in the vicinity of
Cs> Mars and Phobos, probably directing it's cameras toward one or the other,
Cs> it would only make sense that the object was silhouetted against the
Cs> planet/moon. From the Earth's viewpoint, it would likely not be in
Cs> a favorable viewing position, and in any case it would be difficult to
Cs> see such a moving object unless you knew exactly where and when to look.
Cs> You may have a point if the object is in a stable position/orbit.
One very interesting development is the news that the Phobos image was made in Infrared -- thus the possibility that the object photographed was cloaked somehow and only visible in the IR spectrum.
Best,
Clark
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SCM4> what's a few (thousand) sacrifices a year, how would you like to be the
SCM4> first one? ...
Or the *last* one??? How depressing...
SCM4> ... Its easy to be the one doing the cutting, but put the shoe
SCM4> on the other foot
Yeah. Actually, the Aztecs' colorful religious practices did catch up with them. They worshipped Quetzacoatl, winged serpent, God of the ***Oppressed***. The Aztecs' conquered neighbors who provided the dozens of daily sacrifice victims obviously felt *considerably* more oppressed than their Aztec conquerors, as you'd expect.
When Cortes showed up, every Indian nation from the Yucatan to the Maya flocked to his banner and helped him -- they led him directly to Tenochtitlan to meet Montezuma! Poetic justice.
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In a message to All <07 Dec 91 12:02> Chuck Sites wrote:
CS> From: chuck@coplex.com (Chuck Sites)
CS> Date: 7 Dec 91 04:39:00 GMT
CS> Organization: Copper Electronics, Inc.
...
CS> Yawh.. Well, It is possible to observe the past. It's impossible to
CS> to interact with the past though. Can one observe the future? Well,
CS> unfortunaly, time is dimensionally incomplete. That is, while it has
CS> forward direction, it doesn't have a reverse.
Hello Chuck, sorry for the delay in responding to your interesting post re: Time's Arrow. Would you expand on this dimensional "incompleteness"?
Do we know that time is dimensionally incomplete? I'd like to hear more about that. Obviously a 4-dimensional system has time as a vector pointing into the future. But what about the multimensional theories that have abounded since the 1920s? Successfully postulate a 5th dimension, and Time *can* be complete, but it can go both ways. :-)
In particular I'm thinking of Hertzfeld's equations, which balance Maxwell's equations with Einstein's by adding one extra dimension, the 5th Dimension. Mathematically it's wonderfully elegant. Experimentally I don't have a clue where we would begin to test it.
RG> For any one interested more in bilocation, try reading some
RG> autobiographical accounts of Padre Pio, the Capucine monk who
RG> bore the stigmata for many years and could bilocate to people
RG> in hospitals, etc.
RG> To me, this points to the concept/idea/aspect of diffusing one's
RG> being/cells/atoms to such a degree with light (saints are known
RG> to have so celestialized their atoms/cells that they are perhaps
RG> omnipresent, in a sense, if one thinks/analyzes it).
Hi! The first thing this makes me think of is the holographic paradigm.
Wouldn't it be interesting if some people have the ability (who knows how) to manipulate the holographic paradigm and "cross-print" themselves somewhere else?
To do this would require the manipulation of an extra dimension (or two or three or ???) But what's really intriguing is that this ability seems to be psychic in nature, for the most part.
The so-called Philadelphia Experiment, whatever it really was and however it might have worked, points to a mechanical means of inducing bilocation, albeit crudely and uncontrollably. Supposedly this Navy experiment (or experiments) involved a Stealth-like system for making ships invisible to radar during World War II. As such, the experiment would have entailed somehow absorbing 10cm or 3cm radar waves, perhaps through some sort of cancellation or interference pattern generated around the "Stealh-ship".
10cm waves are the better candidate, since the Germans and Japanese used that frequency almost exclusively for their WWII radars.
Anyway, it's interesting that individual people seem to have better (and safer) results than the boffins do...
Best,
Clark
RG> Padre Pio was a devout monk/priest...who bled profusely and
RG> was an instrument of bodily healing for many people. I met a
RG> man a few months back who met Padre Pio personally and had
RG> a biolocation experience regarding him, and a physical healing.
RG> Padre Pio is now deceased, but is prayed to by many for assistnace
RG> assistance in their spiritual journeying.
RG> Kathy
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RS> you do, and fails to be convinced, *must* be in the pay of the CIA or
RS> whoever, sneaking around, spying, informing, lying: all part of the
RS> "great conspiracy" of the [illuminati, CIA, Skull & Bones, Vatican, (or
RS> add your favorite)].
No. I have a problem with someone who listens to the so-called evidence and reports people with persuasive views or unique information to the FBI. He admitted to me at MUFON 1987 that he has done this.
RS> If Phil Klass were the paid agent of
RS> sinister forces, why would he continue
RS> to *waste* his time writing long articles in Aviation Week most every
RS> issue, long past the normal retirement age of 65?? Why wouldn't he spend
RS> all his time debunking UFOs?
If your job is monitoring worldwide aviation, satellite, and reconaissance technology, being a contributing editor at AW is not a waste of time. Does your characterization reflect his feelings? Or do you put words in his mouth, too? By all means, tell us.
RS> No, not possible. He *must* be an agent of The Conspiracy!
What Conspiracy is that? I had in mind agencies of the Executive Branch of the U.S. government, specifically military intelligence, communications intelligence, and satellite intelligence entities. The ones with charters that allow them to operate domestically.
It seems to me that this is a constitutional question. As an American, you have every right to sneer at it if you want. I guess that makes you a Good American, eh?
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In a message to All <11 Dec 91 12:07> atmadc@vax.oxford.ac.uk wrote:
at> The message was sent out by a certain
at> Manoj Joshi (e-mail
at> atmmmj@vax.oxford.ac.uk) who got into my account without my
at> knowledge.
Andrew, thank you for setting the record straight, and you have my sympathies regarding your sociopath co-worker, Mr. Joshi.
I hope that the system administrator at your site had a few very choice words with the sick Joshi, and then broke his fingers. :-)
What this Joshi individual posted here could have created severe difficulties for you, especially if the data you work with is genuinely sensitive stuff. Of course, wrecked careers often prove especially amusing to the sort of people who crack into other folks' accounts and use them to post embarassing or confidential material.
Perhaps if the squalid Joshi were discharged, he might find time to read some of the Upanishads, which are part of his heritage by the sound of his name. There may be hope for him in such enlightenment -- he might even marvel at some of the things his forefathers recorded and mused on, just as many of us do here.
If the wretch remains unenlightened, however, he'll probably crack into a pension fund somewhere and steal the savings of thousands of aged widows and orphans, and then go to jail (gaol), which may be what he really wanted all along.
>No. I have a problem with someone who listens to the so-called evidence and reports people with persuasive views or unique information to the FBI. He admitted to me at MUFON 1987 that he has done this.
I have a problem with dweebs from fidonet who don't know how to
>>No. I have a problem with someone who listens to the so-called evidence and reports people with persuasive views or unique information to the FBI. He admitted to me at MUFON 1987 that he has done this.
>
>I have a problem with dweebs from fidonet who don't know how to
>hit the bloody carriage return key.
I have a problem with buttheads that think that UseNetters don't make
typos.
Maybe it's just UseNet arrogance at its finest, but I wonder. Besides,
UseNet isn't the only network out there, is it? It's sole virtue is that
millions of people may access it without paying a cent (and yes, this
includes me).
FidoNet has absolutely nothing to do, BTW, with whether or not one is a
dweeb.
Sorry, Clark, but I couldn't resist this one. :-)
>josh
Jim Graham
-> ->Disclaimer: I do not speak for my company. <- <-
JG> The mayas, generally weren't participating in this; they gave alvarado
JG> some major hard times some years later.
JG> josh
Thanks, Josh -- I bow to your obvious expertise. Still, I seem to remember reading somewhere that Cortez's main difficulties were with the Spaniards -- the Governor of Hispanola, really -- and not with the conquered indian tribes.
>>No. I have a problem with someone who listens to the so-called evidence and reports people with persuasive views or unique information to the FBI. He admitted to me at MUFON 1987 that he has done this.
>
>I have a problem with dweebs from fidonet who don't know how to
>hit the bloody carriage return key.
>
>josh
And _you_ were Politically Correct in pointing this out,right? :-)
Gosh! It gives me such a fuzzy warm feeling knowing that you are on
*our* side. I could scarcely imagine the horrors if some poor smuck
might slip up and break one of your precious rules..
It..might cause you to suffer a nervous breakdown or worse...allow
you to accept typos in articles. Arggg! A fate *surely* worse than
death itself! :^_)
The "dweeb" that you're alluding to, and having conversed with him
on various echoes on the BBS side is certainly very knowledgeable
on the subject of UFO's *and* he runs his own BBS (Wrong Number BBS).
S'matter...underpants too tight again?
:-) :-)
Don
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In article <1992Jan08.013037.1224@pfm.rmt.sub.org> root@pfm.rmt.sub.org (Bernd Hennig at pfm) writes:
>chris@ixgch.uucp (Christoph Eckert) writes:
>>i'm looking for any kind of information about the so-called
>> "Philadelphia Experiment",
>I only know the movie "Philadelphia Experminent" and the Sienece-Fiction
>book (I don't know the author ....)
If I remember correctly (what I have heard), is that the Phily Experiment
was designed to cloak a ship at sea from radar. Or was it a magnetic "sheild",
I can't remember which was from a more believable source. Anyway, the
experiment worked. Sort-of. When they turned on the generators, the ship, I
beleive it was the Battleship Idaho, disapeared from the radar screens. In fact
the entire ship vanished from visible sight. A few minutes later, the ship reappeared, and they turned off the generators. Then the ship, and the crew even
after they left the ship, continued to disappear and reappear at random
intervals for several years.
An interesting sideline is that the Idaho currently is in mothballs, and it
never saw action in WWII. (I think I heard that somewhere. This is all very
hush hush, so I am just repeating heavily biased rumors.)
hartlemp@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Michael P. Hartley) writes:
>In article <1992Jan08.013037.1224@pfm.rmt.sub.org> root@pfm.rmt.sub.org (Bernd Hennig at pfm) writes:
>>chris@ixgch.uucp (Christoph Eckert) writes:
>>>i'm looking for any kind of information about the so-called
>>> "Philadelphia Experiment",
>>I only know the movie "Philadelphia Experminent" and the Sienece-Fiction
>>book (I don't know the author ....)
> If I remember correctly (what I have heard), is that the Phily Experiment
>was designed to cloak a ship at sea from radar. Or was it a magnetic "sheild",
>I can't remember which was from a more believable source. Anyway, the
>experiment worked. Sort-of. When they turned on the generators, the ship, I
>beleive it was the Battleship Idaho, disapeared from the radar screens. In fact
>the entire ship vanished from visible sight. A few minutes later, the ship reappeared, and they turned off the generators. Then the ship, and the crew even
>after they left the ship, continued to disappear and reappear at random
>intervals for several years.
> An interesting sideline is that the Idaho currently is in mothballs, and it
>never saw action in WWII. (I think I heard that somewhere. This is all very
>hush hush, so I am just repeating heavily biased rumors.)
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In article <30511@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hartlemp@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Michael P. Hartley) writes:
>beleive it was the Battleship Idaho, disapeared from the radar screens. In fact
>the entire ship vanished from visible sight. A few minutes later, the ship reappeared, and they turned off the generators. Then the ship, and the crew even
>after they left the ship, continued to disappear and reappear at random
>intervals for several years.
In all the versions I've heard, except one mentioned briefly in Moore &
Berlitz's book, it was the destroyer escort "Eldridge". (I can't remember
the one mentioned, but it definitely wasn't the "Idaho". The story is that
someone said that the names of the Eldridge and the other ship were
switched afterwards to throw people off the trail.)
> An interesting sideline is that the Idaho currently is in mothballs, and it
>never saw action in WWII. (I think I heard that somewhere. This is all very
>hush hush, so I am just repeating heavily biased rumors.)
The Eldridge was sold to Greece (minus quite a bit of unidentified weight!)
where it was renamed the Leon. I think it's still in service.
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I am getting tired of reading about the Hagadah telling about the story of Adam and Eve. The Hagadah is book that is read every passover about the story of god leading the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt and out of bondage. For your kind information, this same story can be found in your christian bible in the book of Exodus.
I know you are not the first person in this news group to write this untruth. But I do hope you do a little research for yourself before presenting something as fact.
I read something the other day that made me think. If anybody out there is a calvin and hobbes fan they might have seen this one. Calvin and hobbes are staring into the sky. Calvin says to Hobbes,"You know, I think that the real proof that there is extraterrestrial intelligence is that they haven't contavted us."(sp). Actually I think they were looking at some litter, but I think you get the point.
